Comments on: Will Microsoft kill Drupal? http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/ Ken Rickard's notes about what he's doing Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:52:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.10 by: Jacques Mattheij http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-30677 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:29:40 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-30677 I don't think drupal and sharepoint operate in the same space at all. Drupal is a 'one size fits all after some tailoring' environment, sharepoint is a closed source pile of services bunched together, if it doesn't do what you want it to do you're sore out of luck. And if it does happen to do what you want it to do then you'll be sore out of luck when MS decides end-of-life time should roll around so they can force-upgrade you to the next incarnation of their stuff for a good sized fee. Other open source CMS's (and drupal is much more than just a CMS) are much more likely to compete for the same spots as drupal does. What drupal needs imho is to become more 'orthogonal', in other words to get rid of all the special cases and to present everything in the same way. So cck for everything or nothing, everything is a node or just use databases, make it easier to do common stuff such as media handling and make it *MUCH* easier to create intra node links. It also needs to get out of the 'small site' tool mindset, some of the code is absolutely naive when it comes to dealing with high volume traffic. That's not negative, just constructive criticism from an old hand code jockey that is learning about drupal the hard way (by studying the source) and trying to build a reasonably complex database application using drupal to get a good feel for the platform. best regards Jacques Mattheij I don’t think drupal and sharepoint operate in the same space at all. Drupal is a ‘one size fits all after some tailoring’ environment, sharepoint is a closed source pile of services bunched together, if it doesn’t do what you want it to do you’re sore out of luck. And if it does happen to do what you want it to do then you’ll be sore out of luck when MS decides end-of-life time should roll around so they can force-upgrade you to the next incarnation of their stuff for a good sized fee.

Other open source CMS’s (and drupal is much more than just a CMS) are much more likely to compete for the same spots as drupal does.

What drupal needs imho is to become more ‘orthogonal’, in other words to get rid of all the special cases and to present everything in the same way. So cck for everything or nothing, everything is a node or just use databases, make it easier to do common stuff such as media handling and make it *MUCH* easier to create intra node links.

It also needs to get out of the ’small site’ tool mindset, some of the code is absolutely naive when it comes to dealing with high volume traffic.

That’s not negative, just constructive criticism from an old hand code jockey that is learning about drupal the hard way (by studying the source) and trying to build a reasonably complex database application using drupal to get a good feel for the platform.

best regards

Jacques Mattheij

]]> by: lanzdale http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-17274 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:12:15 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-17274 A) Sharepoint is expensive, requiring clients to be current versions of MS Office. (To be full citizens.) B) It only has a small subset of Drupal's (and other CMS) modules. C) Collaborating is what companies do, not non-profit web communities. Action at a web site is fast. Collaborating slow. D)The model and whole way of thinking; some company operatives collaborating on some document which is then "published" to the world is not what CMS is about. E) Sitepoint is not Open Source. F) Too much baggage in sitepoint. G) This product is too little too late. used to sell a $30,000 product with the same functionality as Drupal. H) Never trust Microsoft unless you absolutly have to. A) Sharepoint is expensive, requiring clients to be current versions of MS Office. (To be full citizens.)
B) It only has a small subset of Drupal’s (and other CMS) modules.
C) Collaborating is what companies do, not non-profit web communities. Action at a web site is fast. Collaborating slow.
D)The model and whole way of thinking; some company operatives collaborating on some document which is then “published” to the world is not what CMS is about.
E) Sitepoint is not Open Source.
F) Too much baggage in sitepoint.
G) This product is too little too late.
used to sell a $30,000 product with the same functionality as Drupal.
H) Never trust Microsoft unless you absolutly have to.

]]> by: ramon http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9819 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:25:38 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9819 Its either Microsoft or Drupal !! and it looks like the MS will be the loser... Its either Microsoft or Drupal !! and it looks like the MS will be the loser…

]]> by: SubSonica http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9812 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:39:24 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9812 Just an idea...but it would be GREAT if it could be implemented: Maybe Drupal developers could partner with OpenOffice's ones and create a module to publish OpenOffice's ODF files directly to a drupal site, thus creating a very powerful and cheap intranet document management system. Also have a look at the docmgr.org project. If Drupal could implement something like the above proposed it would be a wonderful bonus for every OpenOffice user and for the spread of Drupal (benefitting from the popularity of OpenOffice) and for the advancement OpenOffice in the traditionally MS dominated corporate arena due to environments like sharepoint-exchange, and then the cost to implement a similar Sharepoint+MsOffice solution would not be justified for corporations!!! David B. (Subsonica) -Spain- Just an idea…but it would be GREAT if it could be implemented:
Maybe Drupal developers could partner with OpenOffice’s ones and create a module to publish OpenOffice’s ODF files directly to a drupal site, thus creating a very powerful and cheap intranet document management system.
Also have a look at the docmgr.org project.
If Drupal could implement something like the above proposed it would be a wonderful bonus for every OpenOffice user and for the spread of Drupal (benefitting from the popularity of OpenOffice) and for the advancement OpenOffice in the traditionally MS dominated corporate arena due to environments like sharepoint-exchange, and then the cost to implement a similar Sharepoint+MsOffice solution would not be justified for corporations!!!
David B. (Subsonica) -Spain-

]]> by: Victor Kane http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9811 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:37:28 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9811 Well, you know, looking at the FOSS link above, we can gain enormously in "pilfering" Use Cases: most Drupal geeks don't realize the value of what they are working with in terms of the things you can actually do with Drupal, and actually have value for customers. Obviously Views and CCK and others are steps in the right directions, but the real key question is, will us Geeks know how to eat our own dogfood? So, for example, a module to share spreadsheets? "business intelligence" Mentoring sites! ("team services") Teach people about the incredible Drupal revisions and version control for document management! etc, etc, etc. Drupal can and will be leveraged itself! Well, you know, looking at the FOSS link above, we can gain enormously in “pilfering” Use Cases: most Drupal geeks don’t realize the value of what they are working with in terms of the things you can actually do with Drupal, and actually have value for customers.
Obviously Views and CCK and others are steps in the right directions, but the real key question is, will us Geeks know how to eat our own dogfood?
So, for example, a module to share spreadsheets? “business intelligence”
Mentoring sites! (”team services”)
Teach people about the incredible Drupal revisions and version control for document management!
etc, etc, etc.
Drupal can and will be leveraged itself!

]]> by: Amnon Levav http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9804 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:13:58 +0000 http://ken.therickards.com/2007/01/02/will-microsoft-kill-drupal/#comment-9804 It's not the same market. Microsoft Aims for organizations. Drupal is open. Both systems have place. We live in a world of coopetition (collaboration + competition, merged together). Of course Drupal must get better all the time. but it happens. Amnon - Web Archtiect Drupal Israel It’s not the same market. Microsoft Aims for organizations. Drupal is open. Both systems have place. We live in a world of coopetition (collaboration + competition, merged together).

Of course Drupal must get better all the time. but it happens.

Amnon
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Web Archtiect
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